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Reviews of Emerging S

Emerging S

This is really bad system and what makes it worse is the system developer's complete lack of communication now a days. System is loosing money every month and there is nothing from this guy. I am certain that he is building a new system ( with great back testing results - I must add) that he would try to sell to those who are not burnt by current system. Terrible system and really bad system developer.

Emerging S

I made money with this system in November-December of last year and initially wasn't worried when the equity began to go the other direction in January. What made me concerned was when the owner kept introducing new algorithms "with amazing back-testing results". This is called curve-fitting: exactly what I used to do when my own algorithms started not performing as they were supposed to. That's why I'm a subscriber now and not a system developer. The reason I left Emerging S in January (and luckily avoided most of the ensuing pain) is because I seek a vendor who has the maturity and steel-nerves to stay with his system through thick and thin, never tweaking it to suit the unexpected as Keith does. I don't believe Keith will stay with "the original algorithm" because my feeling is that it wasn't very good in the first place. And recent results bear this out.

Emerging S

I emailed the system developer, Keith Painter, what the hell was going on in the system with this ridiculous draw-down. Originally Emerging-S had a max draw-down of around 8%, however, all of a sudden, the system developer developed a whole new trading approach to Emerging S, with amazing "back-testing" results. An email was sent to subscribers that showed back-testing results that showed an average gain of 9% per month and a 111% annual return with a max draw-down of 11%. Being amazed at such results, I stayed in the system, only to wonder what the hell was going on when the equity curve of the system kept going DOWN and DOWN, to see the system's max draw-down reach an all time high of 21%!!! I emailed the system developer (Keith Painter) why the back-testing results showed so much promise whereas in reality the opposite was occurring - the system kept losing money. No response from the developer.I really don't know why his back-testing results were the complete opposite of what was happening in the system. But anyways, subscribers received an email today finally saying that the system will go back to it's original algorithms. Still, i've unsubscribed to this system for several reasons. 1) Developer should not have used a live auto-traded system to test a brand new system with a brand new approach. 2) Can you really believe a system that promises portfolio gains of 9% a month and 111% a year? That seems ludicrous. 3) The draw-down of this system has hit a point where I feel it is unsafe to continue using this system.

Emerging S

I have used the system for a few months but have decided to leave it - not b/c its in a losing phase (which is inevitable with any system) but b/c the developer is constantly tweaking it and then exulting how great the back-test results are with the new tweaks. [One can always find one or more parameters that give fantastic back-test results but that doesn't mean the underlying concepts are robust.] I reckon it'll take him a few years to be a mature back-tester.

Emerging S

If I had rated this system prior to 11/30/14, I might have given it four stars. But the performance since then has been poor. With a "long only" stock system, I would like a system that can outperform the indices so that each time the indices hit new highs, the system's equity does the same. That was the case prior to 11/30/14, but since then, the system has performed poorly. The system does not use stops, so when a stock held by the system gets clobbered, as has been happening on occasion, the system gets clobbered and the subscriber can only sit there wondering "when is this guy going to pull the plug on this terrible trade". That is a major weakness of this system--not using stops and holding losers way too long. A subscriber would have done a lot better just holding a 2X long S&P index fund over the life of this fund.

Emerging S

System only works well in bull markets or low volatility markets. When we enter volatile periods like we are now look out below.

Emerging S

Another mechanical system doomed to fail. What's worse is the developer is tweaking the system because it's not producing enough trades. Subscriber communication is good but we're here to make money first.

Emerging S

Its one of the best stock system in C2, someone that cant live with 7% DD in stock market, shouldnt invest money in anything, this person its not realistic or dont have enought knowledge to think about money.

Emerging S

This system just had a 6.5% drawdown...big deal. Anyone who thinks they can make 30 %/year without a 10% drawdown from a C2 system has their expectations too high. This system seems to be solid, but still too short of a track record to give 5-stars.

Emerging S

> then came the email to sell 4 of the 5 positions for a big loss. You would rather perhaps have kept the positions and incurred bigger losses? > I now wonder if this one is prepared to adjust for when the market changes directions or only looks good in a bull market. I guess you haven't read the reviews below yours, which address this concern in some detail. I'm a pretty new subscriber but so far, I see nothing wrong or alarming about this system. I don't see any violation of prudent trading practices. I also trade another stock system which is a natural one to compare against this one. Yesterday the other system outperformed this one dramatically. Today this one outperformed the other one dramatically. So what's to complain about? One day does not a track record make. Since I am so new I can't in good conscience say I've evaluated it enough to give 5 stars, but I don't want to penalize its overall rating by going down to 3. So I'll give it 4 for now anyway.

Emerging S

The numbers and approach speak for themselves through a variety of market environments for years. This is one of the very best, published by one of the best.

Emerging S

I was all excited when I recently joined and then came the email to sell 4 of the 5 positions for a big loss. We seem to keep buying when the overall market was unclear. I realize every system has draw downs but I now wonder if this one is prepared to adjust for when the market changes directions or only looks good in a bull market.

Emerging S

I have been a subscriber of this system for only a bit over a month now, but I have been watching it for quite some time prior to joining it. Frankly I am a bit baffled by the lack of reviews on this excellent system. One would expect by this time there should be a bunch of happy subscribers who would come out and wrote up good reviews. I completely agree with the previous reviewer that this system is the best stock trading system in C2 based on its performance v.s. risk ratio (and yes relatively lower subscription fee). Today was yet another sweet day where S&P was down almost 1% but the system was up nicely. Good job and keep it up, Keith!

Emerging S

I have reviewed C2 stock programs and found Emerging S is the best because: 1. High winning % - 86%. 2. Low draw down - 4.2%. 3. It has back tests upon request, with the max down around 13% during the Bear Markets. 4. Low cost. I have asked the back test numbers for the last 2-Bear Market and last 5 pull backs. I know in Jan this year, the market was down more than 5% but Emerging S was up. Please tell if I said anything wrong here or you find a better stock trading program. Yulin